Posts by Mister Biggs

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Speech Counsel Point - TIMING

by Mister Biggs in

theocratic ministry school (tms) pet peeve of mine is found below.

please feel free to add any that you find as annoying and hypocritical as mine.... last night, brother gramaton* delivered the # 2 talk (bible reading).

he received all of this "wonderful, upbuilding" counsel from brother hank*, the school overseer.

Mister Biggs

CC Ryder...

The sad thing is that this happens much too commonly.

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Ani Difranco

by space in

does anyone like ani difranco?

i think she is absolutely beautiful as far as writing, music and thought.

does anyone agree?.

Mister Biggs

^BUMP^ for the poster of this thread ('space') because it got buried on Page 2 with only 4 reads.

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Who's going to see Minority Report?

by ashitaka in

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i used to deplore steven speilberg.

i thought he was a smarmy nothing, who made his way on three good movies...jaws, close encounters, and et.

even those are really flawed.

Mister Biggs

badwillie and I just checked out the flick.

Tom Cruise did a great job and the effects were awesome!

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Speech Counsel Point - TIMING

by Mister Biggs in

theocratic ministry school (tms) pet peeve of mine is found below.

please feel free to add any that you find as annoying and hypocritical as mine.... last night, brother gramaton* delivered the # 2 talk (bible reading).

he received all of this "wonderful, upbuilding" counsel from brother hank*, the school overseer.

Aw, man! Our 2nd school is supposed to be sound proff. Ah, but... Either you hear the zealous-I'm-reaching-out brother giving his talk in a loud Armageedon-like voice protruding from the 2nd school to the main school OR you hear the song playing as your mid-way through the #4 talk. It never fails!

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Speech Counsel Point - TIMING

by Mister Biggs in

theocratic ministry school (tms) pet peeve of mine is found below.

please feel free to add any that you find as annoying and hypocritical as mine.... last night, brother gramaton* delivered the # 2 talk (bible reading).

he received all of this "wonderful, upbuilding" counsel from brother hank*, the school overseer.

Mister Biggs

Dag! 9 minute 18 seconds??? LOL!

When I did the sound I always wanted to start playing the final song at 9:10 PM, which is when the meeting was officially supposed to end! I always would envision the brother speaking in mid-sentence and then....DoooDOdoooo....dooodoodooo ('God's Loyal Love' song)

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Speech Counsel Point - TIMING

by Mister Biggs in

theocratic ministry school (tms) pet peeve of mine is found below.

please feel free to add any that you find as annoying and hypocritical as mine.... last night, brother gramaton* delivered the # 2 talk (bible reading).

he received all of this "wonderful, upbuilding" counsel from brother hank*, the school overseer.

Mister Biggs

Hi, NotBlind. I don't think I've ever seen any of your posts. Nice to meet you.

They used to ring a bell at mine (you know, those bells that some hotels have that you press down on? BING!)

Now, they tap a pen on a table.

I love it when the so-called student continues their talk anyway, despite the tap on the desk!!!

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Speech Counsel Point - TIMING

by Mister Biggs in

theocratic ministry school (tms) pet peeve of mine is found below.

please feel free to add any that you find as annoying and hypocritical as mine.... last night, brother gramaton* delivered the # 2 talk (bible reading).

he received all of this "wonderful, upbuilding" counsel from brother hank*, the school overseer.

Mister Biggs

The beauty of a discussion board is the fact that people can agree or disagree on the same subject. Another beauty is that we can see holes in ones arguments. Let's see how Oroborus' argument fails and contradicts itself, shall we?

First, when it comes to "speech" classes which is essentially what the MS is, whether it is the MS or if it were at school, it is entirely useful to hear the critique publicly.

"Speech class"? Arguably, perhaps. But who really is the teacher of this "class"? ~~Usually~~ ... Always, the one giving the counsel relies on the School Guide Book. For example, this is typical of the Counselor: "On page 176 in the School Guide Book, it says that you should have..." or "The School Guide Book says that you can use words that...". In a true school, the teacher has a great knowledge of the subject at hand. They don't continously refer to a textbook. A truly good instructor has much experience in their field of study. It has been my experience that most of the JW School Overseers are terrible with timing, use poor grammar, use word-whiskers (i.e., Uh, Um...) in their own talks, and don't use more than one gesture.

Next, he says:

The other students in the class just heard the talk, if they then hear the counsel, points that were good and things needing improvement they can then take the whole experience and learn from it for themselves. Thus everyone is instructed not just the student-speaker.

This statement is not accurate! I challenge any current or former DUBS to come forward. Who sits in the audience and actually applies it to themselves? Isn't it more fair to say that when the man or woman is getting counseled, the audience is saying to themselves, 'Wow! He/she is getting their butt handed to him. He/she really screwed up' OR 'Poor brother/sister! That Counselor is being really hard on him.' I would venture to say that most folks in the audience ARE NOT saying, 'Hmm! I will have to try using that part of the counsel in MY next talk!'

This is where his argument collapses:

The School is specifically to work on particular speech counsel points and to improve as a speaker (now with the change in the school effective 2003, really the emphasis is on becoming a better "minister" not merely speaker).

How do you measure improvement? Based on Oroborus' argument, then, there is no improvement if the very ones getting counseled become Elders or Servants and then don't apply the counsel of timing, gestures, word-whiskers, audience contact, etc.! That certainly defeats the whole purpose of having a school, does it not?

Still failing in his argument, he next says:

The point the student was specifically supposed to be concentrating on was timing, thus it is fair and appropriate to judge him on that point.

Like Reborn said, the same should also apply to the TMS. If they are alotted 10 minutes for their part, then they need to stick to it. By constantly going overtime, have they truly benefitted from the school?

Lastly:

The latter talk of the brother was entirely different-part of the Service Meeting- and although the bros are encouraged to keep their talks to the specified time alloted what is MORE important is the content of the information. Entirely different than the ministry school.

Reborn already broke this down nicely.

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Brazil vs England

by PELE in

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hey folks,.

i know this is a serious board, but since i know there are many soccer's lovers, i need to share with you that i and my family (we live in brazil) are really freaking out with this game.. by the way, it will be at 3h00 a.m, and i (and many brazilians) simply can't sleep.

so, any non watchtower prophet, please tell me how will be these match?.

Mister Biggs

GO BRAZIL!!!

Hey, PELE... e-mail me. I would like to make some more Brazilian friends.

Biggs.

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Who's going to see Minority Report?

by ashitaka in

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friends

i used to deplore steven speilberg.

i thought he was a smarmy nothing, who made his way on three good movies...jaws, close encounters, and et.

even those are really flawed.

Mister Biggs

Ashi...

I am going to go see it.

Don't forget that 'Amistad' was good, too!